1 00:00:05,979 --> 00:00:08,140 Faz, what's happening? My G, how are you? 2 00:00:08,540 --> 00:00:09,540 Yeah, who's that? 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:10,800 Oh, it's Idris. 4 00:00:12,420 --> 00:00:15,840 I'm good, man. I'm good. How are you? 5 00:00:19,140 --> 00:00:20,139 What's happening? 6 00:00:20,140 --> 00:00:21,140 You good? 7 00:00:21,340 --> 00:00:22,340 You been busy? 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:23,400 Yeah. 9 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,240 Look, last seven weeks, boy, this is what we're messing with, yeah? 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,000 All these cases. 11 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:29,500 All these cases? 12 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:30,720 Yeah. 13 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,080 I'm about to go to the station to hand these in. 14 00:00:34,220 --> 00:00:35,400 Oh my days. 15 00:00:35,660 --> 00:00:38,800 So, like, these are the typical rambles that a lot of the people use. 16 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,780 Yeah. Like, these cost like ten as they just... Ten pounds. 17 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:45,680 But we've got weapons that the tubes just can't facilitate. 18 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,060 Yeah. But look. 19 00:00:48,220 --> 00:00:49,220 You know what I mean? 20 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,140 Oh my God. These are the kind of weapons that we're trying to get banned. 21 00:01:04,430 --> 00:01:09,750 Knife crime is a heartbreaking problem and in the past 10 years has almost 22 00:01:09,750 --> 00:01:10,750 doubled. 23 00:01:13,230 --> 00:01:19,230 I'm Idris Elba and a few years ago I became involved in the fight against 24 00:01:19,230 --> 00:01:20,230 crime. 25 00:01:21,690 --> 00:01:26,910 In 2024 I invited a film crew to join me as I try to get to the root of the 26 00:01:26,910 --> 00:01:27,910 problem. 27 00:01:29,910 --> 00:01:32,670 I want to meet people who have carried a knife. 28 00:01:33,930 --> 00:01:38,010 Now I realise I was carrying a deadly weapon. Back in the day, carrying was 29 00:01:38,010 --> 00:01:39,250 pretty normal. 30 00:01:39,630 --> 00:01:41,430 Wear your keys, wear your phone, wear your knife. 31 00:01:41,910 --> 00:01:44,930 And get everyone talking about the challenges ahead. 32 00:01:46,370 --> 00:01:50,630 So we can all push those in power to take action. 33 00:01:51,610 --> 00:01:56,670 And find real solutions. 34 00:01:58,430 --> 00:02:02,630 It is the most rewarding job I've done since being in the police. 35 00:02:02,990 --> 00:02:03,990 In 19 years. 36 00:02:04,250 --> 00:02:05,470 It definitely worked. 37 00:02:06,850 --> 00:02:11,710 There is hope. There's got to be ways that this can be done. No issue is 38 00:02:11,710 --> 00:02:14,030 permanent. There's got to be a way out of it. 39 00:02:14,910 --> 00:02:18,090 Because this is a problem that can affect anyone. 40 00:02:18,730 --> 00:02:22,050 You don't have to be a bad child. You don't have to be in a gang. 41 00:02:22,410 --> 00:02:27,850 You don't have to carry the knife to be the victim of knife crime. 42 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,540 If you've got a knife or you know someone that's got a knife, tell them to 43 00:02:41,540 --> 00:02:45,000 themselves right now. Trust me, because you're just going to stab your future if 44 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,100 you go and stab someone else. You become a murderer, you go to prison, you ain't 45 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:48,779 got shit. 46 00:02:48,780 --> 00:02:52,040 For what? For some beef that lives within your community. 47 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:53,820 You need to see past that. 48 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,180 We have to say something about it. 49 00:02:56,940 --> 00:02:59,020 Five years ago, I had this rant. 50 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,860 I just felt quite overwhelmed and angry. 51 00:03:02,380 --> 00:03:06,200 It's just a constant flux of young people murdering each other. 52 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,440 Knife crime happens every day, but that particular day was just very, you know, 53 00:03:11,460 --> 00:03:14,900 it was really painful for me. I felt the need and the urge to speak up. 54 00:03:18,180 --> 00:03:24,240 So the last five years, my focus has been on campaigning to raise awareness 55 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:25,700 push for solutions. 56 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:36,160 But to be effective, we need to understand why some people were choosing 57 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,060 carry a knife in the first place. 58 00:03:43,780 --> 00:03:46,020 How old were you when you started carrying a knife? 59 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:49,620 I think I was 12. 60 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:58,500 In a park in Coventry, I got 20 people running off on me, carrying all 61 00:03:58,500 --> 00:04:00,080 sorts of things. 62 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,160 And one of them swung an axe. 63 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:11,620 And then ever since then, I didn't step outside without a knife. 64 00:04:13,100 --> 00:04:14,600 Well, you're scared after that, ain't you? 65 00:04:15,380 --> 00:04:16,380 You're going to be. 66 00:04:16,980 --> 00:04:17,980 You got jumped. 67 00:04:19,620 --> 00:04:23,940 So... You're going to want to protect yourself some way, innit? 68 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,120 And that was the only way I could think of. 69 00:04:30,060 --> 00:04:32,060 But I don't do that no more. 70 00:04:33,100 --> 00:04:34,380 That's old me. 71 00:04:39,220 --> 00:04:42,900 It still is quite normal for where I'm from to see someone carrying a blade on 72 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:43,900 them. 73 00:04:44,700 --> 00:04:47,060 I nearly got two pulled out on me this week. 74 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,800 Police are appealing for information after the fatal stabbing of 16 -year 75 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,780 Harry Pittman, who'd gone with a group of friends to see the New Year's Eve 76 00:05:16,780 --> 00:05:18,560 fireworks from Primrose Hill. 77 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,180 He was killed as hundreds of people gathered at the popular spot. 78 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:37,020 We often assume all sorts of things about those who get involved in knife 79 00:05:37,770 --> 00:05:38,770 But is there a type? 80 00:05:40,710 --> 00:05:42,030 Taylor. Hi, mate. 81 00:05:42,550 --> 00:05:43,590 Lovely to meet you. 82 00:05:43,810 --> 00:05:45,070 Nice to meet you, Taylor. How are you? 83 00:05:45,290 --> 00:05:46,290 How's your family? 84 00:05:46,630 --> 00:05:47,630 We're getting there. 85 00:05:49,790 --> 00:05:50,790 This is his memorial. 86 00:05:52,930 --> 00:05:56,530 It's really nice to come and sit here and just, like, be with him. 87 00:05:57,070 --> 00:05:58,430 Yeah. It feels like he's here. 88 00:06:00,070 --> 00:06:02,990 You could spot Harry a mile off. He had bright orange hair. 89 00:06:03,370 --> 00:06:04,730 He's younger, by the way. Yeah. 90 00:06:05,270 --> 00:06:06,270 Harry at school. 91 00:06:06,350 --> 00:06:08,110 He was at college. He was studying law. 92 00:06:08,350 --> 00:06:10,430 He wanted to do something in that sort of field. 93 00:06:10,650 --> 00:06:13,390 Yeah. He's a very clever, very clever boy. He's a smart boy. 94 00:06:13,630 --> 00:06:15,250 Yeah. That's heartbreaking. 95 00:06:16,470 --> 00:06:20,370 You know, I would be in bits all the time. I have my days. I do have my days. 96 00:06:20,370 --> 00:06:21,530 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure of that. 97 00:06:22,050 --> 00:06:24,010 But was it just a beef? Was it a fight? 98 00:06:24,290 --> 00:06:27,130 All we know is there was some sort of altercation, and within that 99 00:06:27,210 --> 00:06:28,710 Harry was stabbed and killed. Yeah. 100 00:06:29,710 --> 00:06:32,350 The boy, same age as my brother. Really? 16 -year -old. 101 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,580 I hate to say it, but people think it's a race thing. 102 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,660 Exactly. That was the first thing that came out when Harry was killed. I bet it 103 00:06:41,660 --> 00:06:44,600 was a black person. I bet it was a black person. And it wasn't. 104 00:06:44,940 --> 00:06:46,200 It was another white boy. 105 00:06:46,500 --> 00:06:50,080 So it can literally be anyone and happen to anyone. 106 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,460 There is such a general perception about this whole thing. 107 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,000 That knife crime just affects black and brown communities. 108 00:07:01,770 --> 00:07:07,250 And it's just so disheartening because it's like, no one really cares to really 109 00:07:07,250 --> 00:07:08,250 understand it. 110 00:07:10,850 --> 00:07:15,230 And the truth is that the majority of people that are involved in knife crime 111 00:07:15,230 --> 00:07:16,230 are white. 112 00:07:25,130 --> 00:07:28,790 There's also a perception that knife crime just happens in big cities. 113 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,320 Knife crime impacts lives across the UK. 114 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:39,140 The areas with the highest rate of increase are Avon and Somerset, 115 00:07:39,140 --> 00:07:40,540 and Sussex. 116 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:45,720 But the worst affected area over the past two years is the West Midlands. 117 00:07:55,310 --> 00:07:59,790 Two 12 -year -old boys have been found guilty of murdering a man with a machete 118 00:07:59,790 --> 00:08:01,390 in a park in Wolverhampton. 119 00:08:02,090 --> 00:08:05,690 The pair, who can't be named because of their age, are thought to be the 120 00:08:05,690 --> 00:08:08,750 youngest boys to have committed a knife -related murder in the UK. 121 00:08:11,490 --> 00:08:15,790 It's in suburban neighbourhoods that some of the most horrific attacks have 122 00:08:15,790 --> 00:08:16,790 taken place. 123 00:08:20,290 --> 00:08:24,530 Nice to meet you. I'm Damien. Idris, thanks for meeting me. Yeah, no problem. 124 00:08:25,050 --> 00:08:29,850 I've been sort of campaigning against knife crime for about five years. What's 125 00:08:29,850 --> 00:08:32,530 been happening is I've just been learning that I don't know enough. 126 00:08:32,750 --> 00:08:36,650 Yeah. And in this area, it's quite significant. Something happened here, 127 00:08:36,890 --> 00:08:41,690 Yeah, we had a 19 -year -old lad, Sean C. Sahai, sitting over on that bench 128 00:08:41,690 --> 00:08:46,690 there. And then two other lads, 12 years old, approached him and they were 129 00:08:46,690 --> 00:08:48,030 carrying a machete. 130 00:08:48,470 --> 00:08:49,910 Ah, 12 -year -old. Yeah. 131 00:08:50,710 --> 00:08:52,790 I mean... They've had a row. 132 00:08:53,150 --> 00:08:54,190 Next thing you know, 133 00:08:55,079 --> 00:08:58,620 Sean's lying, you know, not 15 metres from where we are now. 134 00:08:59,380 --> 00:09:04,760 Massive stab wounds to the back of his skull, a burr in his skull, stab wounds 135 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,560 all down his back, and he's dead. 136 00:09:06,900 --> 00:09:08,660 What was the nature of the fight? 137 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:09,920 We don't know. 138 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,600 We've never found anything or there's nothing been said to suggest that there, 139 00:09:13,700 --> 00:09:18,020 you know, in any way this is, like, postcode or gang -related, but, you 140 00:09:18,060 --> 00:09:22,840 the reality is the two defendants have gone out with a knife. You carry that 141 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,240 knife and it's in play. 142 00:09:26,470 --> 00:09:29,090 There's the knife after we'd recovered it. Wow. 143 00:09:29,350 --> 00:09:31,150 That's the machete? That's the machete. 144 00:09:31,870 --> 00:09:33,190 I mean, look at that thing. 145 00:09:33,410 --> 00:09:34,410 Yep. 146 00:09:34,670 --> 00:09:36,270 My son's ten. 147 00:09:36,490 --> 00:09:41,410 Yep. You know, so this is, like, right under my nose. You know what I'm saying? 148 00:09:41,530 --> 00:09:47,770 Yeah, yeah. When you see, you know, 12 -year -olds... Yep. ..that must be 149 00:09:47,770 --> 00:09:53,390 unusual. When we learnt the identity of the two lads involved, there was a bit 150 00:09:53,390 --> 00:09:55,470 of a collective pause where everyone was like... 151 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:00,520 It feels like something's different here. You know, you're crossing the 152 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:05,520 a bit. But at the same time, it was more the grim reality of where we're at 153 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:06,760 rather than complete surprise. 154 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:12,260 How does this community sort of get past that? How do we not see it happen 155 00:10:12,260 --> 00:10:16,660 again? Knife crime will not be stopped by police officers alone. Yeah. 156 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,300 That will never happen. 157 00:10:39,470 --> 00:10:44,410 I started the year thinking about how easy it is for people to buy knives and 158 00:10:44,410 --> 00:10:45,710 how accessible they are. 159 00:10:47,810 --> 00:10:52,050 Morning, we're on something Idris Elba is talking about today. The act of 160 00:10:52,050 --> 00:10:56,110 starting a campaign to speed up changes to law. We'll join victims' families 161 00:10:56,110 --> 00:10:58,710 outside Parliament later to launch a new campaign. 162 00:10:59,010 --> 00:11:03,450 Calling for an immediate ban on zombie -style knives and machetes. 163 00:11:04,670 --> 00:11:06,350 At the top of this year... 164 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,960 Usually, everyone's got a New Year's resolution, got some new vigour. Let's 165 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:16,480 that new vigour and let's apply it to eradicating knife crime. 166 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:24,120 The campaign really landed and made as much noise as possible to the point 167 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:30,120 where, you know, the government at the time pledged to change a loophole in the 168 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,000 law about zombie knives. 169 00:11:32,680 --> 00:11:33,980 It's the first step. 170 00:11:34,350 --> 00:11:37,050 with a ban on zombie -style knives and machetes. 171 00:11:38,910 --> 00:11:44,230 But it doesn't fix the problem because there are so many knives and swords that 172 00:11:44,230 --> 00:11:46,310 are still legal to own and sell. 173 00:11:51,230 --> 00:11:54,610 It's complicated because we all have knives in the kitchen. 174 00:11:57,150 --> 00:11:59,390 But maybe the answer is simple. 175 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,060 Introduce ironclad restrictions on the sale of all dangerous knives that aren't 176 00:12:05,060 --> 00:12:06,320 used for cooking. 177 00:12:22,740 --> 00:12:27,700 Six men have been sentenced to life in prison for the murder of a teenager in 178 00:12:27,700 --> 00:12:28,700 South East London. 179 00:12:30,190 --> 00:12:35,850 Just 17 years old when he was stabbed to death in Betts Park in Bromley in 2017. 180 00:12:36,810 --> 00:12:40,330 When I lost my brother, I was 15 at the time when that happened. 181 00:12:41,510 --> 00:12:45,290 You'd never been faced with that situation before. You don't actually 182 00:12:45,290 --> 00:12:46,290 to say. 183 00:12:47,330 --> 00:12:52,850 To put it quite simply, I had many different offers involved in retaliation 184 00:12:52,850 --> 00:12:55,150 around what happened with my brother. 185 00:12:57,270 --> 00:12:58,590 You've got to remember... 186 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,000 You're looking at it from the outside and you live in a completely different 187 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,960 world to the world that these young people are living in. Even with me and 188 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,100 situation, I could have became a habitual knife carrier. 189 00:13:12,380 --> 00:13:18,520 A lot of young people, if they come from certain areas within the UK, before 190 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,800 they reach the age of 14, witness some form of stabbing. 191 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,180 That's how... 192 00:13:26,810 --> 00:13:29,150 A lot of young people grew up seeing it happen. 193 00:13:29,570 --> 00:13:31,530 That's how I grew up, seeing it happen. 194 00:13:34,390 --> 00:13:39,830 We have to take knives off the streets, but we have to also go further than 195 00:13:39,830 --> 00:13:40,830 that. 196 00:13:41,410 --> 00:13:43,170 This problem of knife crime. 197 00:13:43,630 --> 00:13:49,630 It's a real indication of how much we have failed young people, how much 198 00:13:49,630 --> 00:13:54,050 the society that that kid is brought up into. 199 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,520 has allowed this to happen. 200 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,580 And it hasn't safeguarded them enough. 201 00:14:11,980 --> 00:14:13,320 Mate, what are you doing? 202 00:14:13,540 --> 00:14:14,540 Get back. 203 00:14:23,100 --> 00:14:25,040 Oh, shit. Oh, shit. 204 00:14:25,740 --> 00:14:26,820 Oh, shit. 205 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:33,300 These images are being fed to, like, young people. 206 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,880 It's going, you know, in their social media. 207 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,660 And it's being fed through their algorithms. 208 00:14:40,300 --> 00:14:44,740 And, I mean, when you watch this stuff, it is crazy what you're seeing. 209 00:14:45,140 --> 00:14:49,240 And for me, all this does is just really perpetuate more fear. 210 00:14:49,790 --> 00:14:53,290 You see that, you go, well, I haven't got a shank, I haven't got a knife, I 211 00:14:53,290 --> 00:14:54,229 might need one. 212 00:14:54,230 --> 00:14:55,950 And it glorifies it. 213 00:14:56,350 --> 00:15:00,970 It might even be pushing kids towards, you know, some sort of like arms race 214 00:15:00,970 --> 00:15:04,830 where they want to get bigger and more scarier knives. 215 00:15:16,460 --> 00:15:20,380 For young people's minds that are developing, acting out of fear and high 216 00:15:20,380 --> 00:15:25,800 anxiety, they result to knife -carrying that's almost glamorised in certain 217 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:26,800 spaces. 218 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,680 Answer me. I work with 11 to 25 -year -olds who have been stabbed. 219 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:41,920 So my background, growing up in a loving family, but I would say slightly 220 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:46,040 dysfunctional. No father was involved, so, you know, mum was mum and dad. 221 00:15:46,340 --> 00:15:50,120 Mum was incarcerated at a period of time. Mum experienced domestic violence. 222 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:51,600 We went into foster care. 223 00:15:52,060 --> 00:15:53,120 Did you ever carry a knife? 224 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,120 That was the standard. 225 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,120 Carrying was pretty normal. 226 00:15:58,340 --> 00:15:59,340 Pretty normal. 227 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,840 Wear your keys, wear your phone, wear your knife. And you look at the timeline 228 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,800 of all these contributing factors, to me, in the end, got involved in a gang 229 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,420 -related murder, where I stabbed someone who subsequently died. 230 00:16:12,990 --> 00:16:17,170 I was incarcerated age 18 and spent 16 years in custody. 231 00:16:30,270 --> 00:16:34,810 I've been to Feltham Young Offenders Institute a number of times. 232 00:16:36,690 --> 00:16:38,850 I've been there as a resident, as an inmate. 233 00:16:39,810 --> 00:16:42,450 I've also been there to deliver workshops as well. 234 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,720 So, yeah, Feltham, I know really well. 235 00:16:47,580 --> 00:16:53,860 The mission statement on prison walls talks about, in capital letters, 236 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:55,080 rehabilitation. 237 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:01,440 But, you know, a victim's family would want to see you sometimes die, you know, 238 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,820 capital punishment, or see you rot in prison. 239 00:17:07,339 --> 00:17:09,359 There's definitely like a whole... 240 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,260 sector of people that just believe that people should just be sent to jail. 241 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:14,560 That's it. 242 00:17:14,660 --> 00:17:16,680 You know, that's the only deterrent. 243 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:22,160 And if there is tougher sentencing, there'll be less knife crime. 244 00:17:23,020 --> 00:17:24,020 For sure. 245 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,960 I can understand where people are just like, that's what we've got jails for, 246 00:17:29,100 --> 00:17:30,100 send them to jail. 247 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,540 I've been given access to Feltham, the most violent prison in the UK. 248 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,120 If there was no law, we'd be at each other's throats. 249 00:17:43,420 --> 00:17:44,800 It's just human nature. 250 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,820 So it is important to have deterrence. 251 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:03,000 What I want to try and understand, direct from the young people that are in 252 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,440 prison for knife -related crime, is where it all went wrong. 253 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,780 Trying to really understand what that fork in the road was. 254 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,300 Because, obviously, the threat of prison hasn't deterred them. 255 00:18:16,980 --> 00:18:17,980 Thank you. 256 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,000 Come on in. 257 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,780 Nice to meet you, man. Nice to meet you, man. Thanks for meeting me. 258 00:18:34,060 --> 00:18:35,740 Do you mind me asking how long you've been in? 259 00:18:36,260 --> 00:18:37,260 Oh! 260 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,060 Two and a bit months. 261 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,399 Why are you in? 262 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,120 For a stabbing. Stabbing? Yeah, GVH. 263 00:18:43,860 --> 00:18:44,860 How old are you? 264 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,200 I'm 17. 17? 265 00:18:46,420 --> 00:18:47,420 Yeah. 266 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,080 When was the first time you held a knife? 267 00:18:52,860 --> 00:18:53,860 So, 268 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,720 what I'm trying to understand here is, like, ten years ago you were seven. 269 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:00,720 What was life like for you then? 270 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,920 Family life pretty... No, family life is messy, to be honest with you. 271 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,500 And my dad used to have mad anger. She used to go making no money, coming home, 272 00:19:09,580 --> 00:19:10,660 taking it out and whatever. 273 00:19:11,180 --> 00:19:13,060 Right. How was school life for you? 274 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:14,840 No, school life was shit. 275 00:19:15,340 --> 00:19:16,340 I was so old. 276 00:19:16,740 --> 00:19:20,320 I was so old, like, I started getting mega bullied. I used to get really bad 277 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,960 dandruff, and people used to, like, take the piss, say, like, has it been 278 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,680 snowing and that, cos, obviously, I had it on the back of my blazer. Yeah. 279 00:19:27,180 --> 00:19:29,940 And then I used to just look around and I used to think, like, the only people 280 00:19:29,940 --> 00:19:31,020 that ain't getting bullied... 281 00:19:31,290 --> 00:19:35,270 ..is the people, but in a certain way. So I sort of felt the need to become 282 00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:36,490 person, do you know what I mean? 283 00:19:36,690 --> 00:19:37,609 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 284 00:19:37,610 --> 00:19:40,250 But then, obviously, I stopped going to school quite a lot. 285 00:19:40,570 --> 00:19:43,350 Did you get excluded from school? Yeah, like four or five times. 286 00:19:43,630 --> 00:19:44,630 Really? Yeah. 287 00:19:45,170 --> 00:19:49,490 And then when you picked up a knife... Yeah. ..just thinking around the time... 288 00:19:49,490 --> 00:19:53,890 When I had a knife, I felt like I could do anything and I felt like I was a god, 289 00:19:54,010 --> 00:19:57,290 do you know what I mean? Nobody can touch me. It makes you the bad man in 290 00:19:57,290 --> 00:19:58,590 situation, do you get it? 291 00:19:59,899 --> 00:20:02,940 But then push comes to shove and you end up using it. 292 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,800 All of a sudden, do you know what I mean? The stuff becomes real. 293 00:20:11,060 --> 00:20:14,500 I have a really good relationship with a lot of boys. I think they can genuinely 294 00:20:14,500 --> 00:20:16,920 see what I want to help them to change. 295 00:20:17,220 --> 00:20:19,020 But you need to get it when they're young now. 296 00:20:19,460 --> 00:20:23,260 Get to them young? What does that actually look like? Because that's one 297 00:20:23,260 --> 00:20:24,920 things I'm trying to understand. 298 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaking to the boys, it's as soon as they're disengaged with any school. 299 00:20:29,770 --> 00:20:33,150 The boys are telling us that's where you start losing them. 300 00:20:34,670 --> 00:20:35,690 This is our feeling. 301 00:20:37,570 --> 00:20:39,150 Who's there? Who's there? Who's there? 302 00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:42,070 Who's there? Who's there? Who's there? Who's there? Who's there? 303 00:20:42,290 --> 00:20:43,390 Who's there? 304 00:20:56,199 --> 00:20:57,400 Three months this time. 305 00:20:57,820 --> 00:21:00,980 Unfortunately, I've been in five different prisons before my 18th 306 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:02,980 Wow. Yeah. 307 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:08,760 For anyone that has an experience with knife crime, the end goal is to not have 308 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,060 to be in those situations anymore. 309 00:21:11,260 --> 00:21:13,580 Unfortunately, life's not that easy for many people. 310 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:14,840 Yeah. 311 00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:16,420 What was your school life like? 312 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:18,660 I got kicked out when I was 15. 313 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,560 And you got kicked out, excluded, yeah? Yeah. 314 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,720 Was that the time when you got your own knife at that time? Yeah, literally. 315 00:21:43,979 --> 00:21:50,760 It's more about protecting the public than about rehabilitating 316 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,820 these people. But on the other hand, you're not protecting the public because 317 00:21:53,820 --> 00:21:55,080 these people will come out on you. 318 00:21:55,340 --> 00:21:59,720 Yeah, almost worse sometimes because of what the energy like is here, breeding 319 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,760 it. Yeah, violence beats violence. 320 00:22:05,580 --> 00:22:08,940 For people coming into prison, this is the last part of the journey. 321 00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:12,780 There's lots and lots of systems and processes that fail them in society. 322 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,280 And by the time they get here, it's very costly for the public. It's costly in 323 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,280 terms of victims. 324 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,600 And it's costly in terms of how we rehabilitate from this point onwards 325 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,700 it costs so much per prison place. 326 00:22:25,130 --> 00:22:26,130 for each individual. 327 00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:43,230 That was very hard to swallow. 328 00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:46,670 Like, you know, finding hope in a place like that is hard. 329 00:22:47,250 --> 00:22:51,950 It's difficult because, you know, by the time they're here... 330 00:22:52,780 --> 00:22:54,840 They'd been cast away from society. 331 00:22:56,360 --> 00:23:03,240 I just had this overwhelming feeling that somewhere along the line, if 332 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:09,460 someone had intervened earlier, these prisons would be emptier. You have this 333 00:23:09,460 --> 00:23:12,500 sort of like, you know, take my belt off and beat them. 334 00:23:12,740 --> 00:23:14,980 They won't do it again. That's not the way it works. 335 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,540 That was definitely interesting. 336 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:30,280 Two teenagers convicted of murdering a 16 -year -old boy in a case of mistaken 337 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,180 identity have been sentenced to more than 16 years in prison. 338 00:23:37,540 --> 00:23:42,340 Ronan Kanda, who had just finished his GCSEs, was walking to a friend's house 339 00:23:42,340 --> 00:23:46,720 Wolverhampton when he was attacked from behind by the two teenagers wielding a 340 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,240 sword and a large machete. 341 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,980 Ronan was mistaken identity. 342 00:23:53,930 --> 00:23:57,570 The intended target lives bottom of our street. 343 00:23:58,370 --> 00:24:01,590 Ronan wasn't doing anything to anyone. He was just walking home. 344 00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:06,330 This perpetrator, he took my child life. 345 00:24:06,550 --> 00:24:08,770 Thinking is his intended target. 346 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:29,900 When we were shown the ninja sword that went through my child's heart, 347 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,940 I fainted on the day when I saw it. 348 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,860 Because I'm looking at him. 349 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,840 It's nice pictures of him. 350 00:24:47,740 --> 00:24:48,740 Yeah. 351 00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:52,100 And that's my last Mother's Day. 352 00:24:53,070 --> 00:24:54,070 With my son. 353 00:24:58,730 --> 00:25:01,050 That is your typical Ronan, that is. 354 00:25:01,370 --> 00:25:02,370 He was a joker. 355 00:25:12,910 --> 00:25:19,690 I was a mum, like, I'd get up in the morning. 356 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:25,280 The first thing I used to do is dive into Ronan's room, hug him, kiss him. 357 00:25:26,340 --> 00:25:29,760 Ronan was like still my younger baby, my baby he was. 358 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:35,800 And I would lie here and say, push, don't move up. 359 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,620 And he was like, Mom. 360 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:42,400 And I said, no, no, let me just have a quick cuddle. 361 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:47,740 And then I'll just have a quick cuddle with him and go after that. 362 00:25:48,410 --> 00:25:49,910 Doing what I needed to do. 363 00:25:51,390 --> 00:25:53,290 And this side is empty now. 364 00:25:53,490 --> 00:25:58,030 I get in this bed, but this side is empty. 365 00:25:58,470 --> 00:26:00,710 Try making sense of that to me. 366 00:26:05,530 --> 00:26:11,270 It's just... The perpetrators, 367 00:26:11,270 --> 00:26:15,930 what they did was that they could have been stopped many times. 368 00:26:16,670 --> 00:26:17,790 Everyone failed. 369 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:24,480 including police, education system, there are other perpetrators, families, 370 00:26:24,620 --> 00:26:25,620 parents. 371 00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:33,980 So all these failures are the reason my son is not on this side of the bed. 372 00:26:34,820 --> 00:26:36,320 I'm not able to hug him. 373 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:45,640 And these failures will continue if they are not highlighted. 374 00:26:46,860 --> 00:26:52,220 If they're not being told that you messed up big time, 375 00:26:52,380 --> 00:26:56,240 you failed in your duties. 376 00:27:02,660 --> 00:27:09,480 The perpetrator, an intended target, started their fight in the 377 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,480 school. 378 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,920 It all starts at school. 379 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,720 for that age group. 380 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,180 He was an angry young man. The school was quite aware of it. 381 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,700 I was like, he's an angry man. 382 00:27:41,060 --> 00:27:43,340 You hold on to him. He needed help. 383 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,740 If somebody's troubled, you don't leave them out on the road to go and do 384 00:27:48,740 --> 00:27:51,860 whatever you want because you don't want that problem on you. 385 00:28:13,740 --> 00:28:19,780 This is a moment where we could sort of red flag and say, here's an opportunity 386 00:28:19,780 --> 00:28:21,540 to course correct. 387 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:28,180 This moment of exclusion is not a moment for us to say, let's just forget this 388 00:28:28,180 --> 00:28:31,840 kid, but it's actually a moment where we can say, let's help this child out. 389 00:28:32,020 --> 00:28:34,460 This is the time to help that child. 390 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,480 Look, school exclusion sometimes means... 391 00:28:42,810 --> 00:28:44,010 Keeping pupils safe. 392 00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:45,310 I get it. 393 00:28:46,550 --> 00:28:49,450 But we're not understanding young people in a school place. 394 00:28:50,030 --> 00:28:52,670 We're not approaching it from a trauma -informed lens. 395 00:28:55,210 --> 00:28:57,990 Maybe they experienced a bit of domestic violence here in the household. 396 00:28:58,370 --> 00:29:02,430 Maybe they were troubled at the bus stop today and it's acting out in the class. 397 00:29:08,810 --> 00:29:12,450 So it sounds really cliche, but I... 398 00:29:12,730 --> 00:29:17,370 I wanted to join the police to help people and catch burglars and robbers. 399 00:29:17,710 --> 00:29:19,590 When I was younger, my dad was in the police. 400 00:29:20,550 --> 00:29:24,710 I've been in the police 19 years. A majority of that has been frontline 401 00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:25,710 policing. 402 00:29:30,150 --> 00:29:35,730 When you're frontline policing, on response, you turn up with your lights 403 00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:40,910 the incident that you're dealing with and you do stick a plaster on it. You 404 00:29:40,910 --> 00:29:42,390 don't get to find out. 405 00:29:42,670 --> 00:29:45,170 why these problems are happening. 406 00:29:45,670 --> 00:29:50,410 A lot of the young people we work with have had a rough time. 407 00:29:50,730 --> 00:29:55,610 There's been something in their lives that has been a trigger or a trauma that 408 00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:57,250 has led them to the path that they're on. 409 00:29:57,570 --> 00:30:01,890 When they're excluded, there is no reason to get up in the mornings. 410 00:30:02,130 --> 00:30:09,110 There is no... ..no diversion out of life for 411 00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:10,910 them. You know, it's... 412 00:30:11,290 --> 00:30:12,610 What are they going to do with their time? 413 00:30:14,010 --> 00:30:20,310 They'll go and hang around with older people or people in the same position as 414 00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:26,130 them and they're going to fill their time probably not positively. 415 00:30:44,010 --> 00:30:48,650 I run an organisation taking weapons from people in the community and then 416 00:30:48,650 --> 00:30:49,650 disposing of them. 417 00:31:14,340 --> 00:31:15,340 What's this? 418 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,920 There were two times in my life where I was personally affected by knife crime. 419 00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:23,260 I was 19 years old when I got stabbed the first time. 420 00:31:23,580 --> 00:31:26,020 And the second time I got stabbed three years after. 421 00:31:26,220 --> 00:31:28,740 And I was stabbed nine times on both occasions. 422 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,620 First it was like disbelief. 423 00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:37,280 Then it went from disbelief to almost why. 424 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,240 And then stuck in that process there, the anger came up. 425 00:31:43,270 --> 00:31:45,290 But I never, ever was tempted to carry a knife. 426 00:31:46,210 --> 00:31:49,010 I just didn't see longevity in revenge. 427 00:31:49,550 --> 00:31:53,570 You know, how is that going to affect other people around me? My mother, my 428 00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:54,570 children, you know? 429 00:31:55,050 --> 00:31:58,950 That's what I've kind of used as a driving force to build my organisation. 430 00:31:59,310 --> 00:32:03,850 And that's why I can almost call it like a relentless fight against knife 431 00:32:03,850 --> 00:32:06,750 crimes. Every time I do something for knife crimes, I feel like I'm kind of 432 00:32:06,750 --> 00:32:08,010 getting back at my personal situation. 433 00:32:09,130 --> 00:32:11,450 If I can find a way for these young people... 434 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,960 To look at me as a person to get rid of weapons and that'd be amazing. Do you 435 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:16,960 know I mean? 436 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,440 Okay, so what we're gonna do is we'll examine them we just want to make sure 437 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:31,400 that none of the other things we have interest in copier a Young person finds 438 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,140 hard to walk into a police station and drop a knife off, you know Managed to 439 00:32:36,140 --> 00:32:39,740 pick up five thousand weapons over thousands of people 440 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,400 No one's ever been arrested. 441 00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:45,140 No one's ever gone into trouble. 442 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,940 No one's ever been hurt in a collection. 443 00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:57,160 What Faz is doing is important. 444 00:32:58,420 --> 00:33:03,020 But I'd like the government to make it harder for young people to buy knives in 445 00:33:03,020 --> 00:33:04,020 the first place. 446 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:06,960 MPs are debating justice. 447 00:33:07,710 --> 00:33:12,370 extending a ban on zombie knives and machetes to include a ban on ninja 448 00:33:13,650 --> 00:33:17,430 Many will be quite frankly shocked that such weapons are not banned already. 449 00:33:18,510 --> 00:33:22,370 This is the issue of ninja swords, and the reason why straight swords are more 450 00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:25,490 difficult to ban is because, of course, some of them are held by military 451 00:33:25,490 --> 00:33:27,990 historians for commemorative purposes. 452 00:33:30,510 --> 00:33:34,030 It felt like there was an attachment to swords. 453 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:41,780 which may have some sort of traditional heritage thing. I just couldn't 454 00:33:41,780 --> 00:33:43,380 understand it, quite frankly. 455 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,820 We are live in Downing Street as Rishi Sunak calls a general election. 456 00:34:05,149 --> 00:34:08,190 Now is the moment for Britain to choose its future. 457 00:34:11,330 --> 00:34:15,790 At a point where the country will vote a new leader, you've got to be 458 00:34:15,790 --> 00:34:17,130 intentional in what you do. 459 00:34:28,929 --> 00:34:34,510 If I can influence a government or any leader to kind of heal, Can you please 460 00:34:34,510 --> 00:34:35,510 pay attention? 461 00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:36,750 Then I'm going to do that. 462 00:34:44,850 --> 00:34:45,768 Hello. Hi. 463 00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:46,770 Good morning. 464 00:34:47,409 --> 00:34:50,630 How are you? Good to see you. I'm very well. Hi, everyone. How are you doing? 465 00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:51,690 Thank you. 466 00:34:51,810 --> 00:34:52,810 How have you been? 467 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,880 Do you know the families we've got around the town? Yeah, I've met most of 468 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:07,819 yeah. 469 00:35:07,820 --> 00:35:12,480 All of them have got experiences that they need to share and things that can 470 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,240 done. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. You can say, shut up and just... We're 471 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:17,240 going to pay for it. 472 00:35:17,540 --> 00:35:21,860 It's a lot of money. How are we going to pay for it? Well, the way we've said to 473 00:35:21,860 --> 00:35:22,860 pay for it at the moment is... 474 00:35:23,150 --> 00:35:26,950 to get very long on tax status and crack down on terms of wages. We can make a 475 00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:27,950 pot of money on it. 476 00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:31,870 Right. As you turn this corner, you're on camera soon to turn left. 477 00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:33,510 Thank you. Thank you. 478 00:35:34,770 --> 00:35:35,790 Hey. Hello. 479 00:35:36,330 --> 00:35:37,590 Hi, guys. How are you? 480 00:35:39,210 --> 00:35:40,810 How are you? You OK? Good to see you. 481 00:35:41,110 --> 00:35:45,570 We can't keep on meeting families and having a version of the same 482 00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:47,390 We've got to change the system. 483 00:35:47,650 --> 00:35:49,150 That's really important. That's the spirit of it. 484 00:35:49,390 --> 00:35:54,050 This doesn't stop. We're going to keep going and we have to hold the 485 00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:55,970 whatever government it is, accountable. 486 00:36:00,530 --> 00:36:03,490 I feel like a bit of a prop, a bit of an imposter. 487 00:36:05,410 --> 00:36:07,390 Out of everyone on that table... 488 00:36:07,980 --> 00:36:10,960 I stand out. Why are you here, Idris? 489 00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:17,240 You know, you make films. Why are you here? I'm an amplification device. 490 00:36:21,940 --> 00:36:26,960 It's all very well wanting to stop knife crime. The big question is, what can 491 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,880 the government do to make a difference for the teenagers that are impacted? 492 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:36,160 One possible solution is at hospital, in emergency care. 493 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,820 The Royal London Hospital has pioneered a programme after seeing young patients 494 00:36:49,820 --> 00:36:54,120 leaving with no support and returning to the same dangerous behaviour. 495 00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:02,720 For some young people, the only difference between a victim and a 496 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:04,320 who won the fight that day. 497 00:37:20,970 --> 00:37:25,730 The idea is to intervene at a point where the young person is vulnerable, 498 00:37:26,010 --> 00:37:30,890 injured, and open to the possibility of things changing. 499 00:37:36,690 --> 00:37:40,590 Shamir. How are you, man? You all right, yeah? Nice to meet you, man. Thanks for 500 00:37:40,590 --> 00:37:42,910 taking the time to see me. Pleasure, pleasure, man. 501 00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:47,570 What you're doing, it's an intervention, right? This is a system that works 502 00:37:47,570 --> 00:37:49,910 right at the moment of crisis here. 503 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,479 Reachable moment. 504 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,120 It's a reachable moment. OK. Yeah. 505 00:37:53,780 --> 00:37:58,640 Our intervention kind of offers support and essentially going on the journey 506 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,260 with that young person, we're not trying to remove knives from young people's 507 00:38:02,260 --> 00:38:04,120 possessions, we're trying to move it from their heart. 508 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,200 A lot of young people think they've got nothing to live for. It's not worth it. 509 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,700 And it's about instilling that value to say, bro, like, you've got so much 510 00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:14,700 potential. We've worked with young people, Idris, and said, how are you 511 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,720 He said, no -one's ever asked me that. 512 00:38:17,020 --> 00:38:19,400 No -one's ever asked them, how are you? 513 00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:25,010 how are you so for me it's basics man like basics especially for growing up in 514 00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:28,550 dysfunctional family so nurturing is very important it's really important 515 00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:32,650 here is a program we're now working a multi -agency approach that gets our 516 00:38:32,650 --> 00:38:37,190 people safer but then hopefully go on to live prosperous lives and in that i 517 00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:43,450 feel like there needs to be a much deeper understanding of why yeah first 518 00:38:43,450 --> 00:38:46,070 foremost right yeah why is this happening poverty 519 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,560 is number one at the forefront of violence within the UK. 520 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,400 Whether that goes down the throats of people or not, it's the reality. 521 00:39:09,580 --> 00:39:14,020 Yeah, we've got a case at the moment. It's a young adult that was stabbed 522 00:39:14,020 --> 00:39:15,020 multiple times. 523 00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:18,020 in the East London Borough. 524 00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:21,480 Quite a complex case. 525 00:39:21,820 --> 00:39:28,000 Quite a lot of childhood traumas. We'll try to identify services to ensure that, 526 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,920 you know, he has that ongoing support. 527 00:39:32,860 --> 00:39:36,680 We've supported education, getting them back into mainstream school. 528 00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:40,480 Mental health support, support around employment. 529 00:39:40,940 --> 00:39:42,960 Some young people don't have ID. 530 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,980 We've got them ID. 531 00:39:45,530 --> 00:39:49,690 Sounds very trivial, but ID opens up the door and that was £35 that they don't 532 00:39:49,690 --> 00:39:54,210 have. So the opportunity to operate with them in the community starts to build 533 00:39:54,210 --> 00:39:56,190 trust. And they're like, oh, you're really in my life. 534 00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:21,450 It is an incredible intervention, but doesn't change the fact that someone is 535 00:40:21,450 --> 00:40:22,730 already seriously injured. 536 00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:26,750 Are there ways to intervene earlier? 537 00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:30,350 Okay, what happens before the stabbing? 538 00:40:30,570 --> 00:40:35,230 And can we do that guidance from that junction before there's an incident? 539 00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:43,690 It's like having those things pop up in the back of your garden. 540 00:40:44,580 --> 00:40:49,500 If you decide to just chop it and chop it and chop it every time you see it 541 00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:52,740 again, then what do you think is going to keep happening? You're going to have 542 00:40:52,740 --> 00:40:53,740 to keep chopping it. 543 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,260 If you take it out by the root nine times out of ten, it's not going to grow 544 00:40:57,260 --> 00:40:58,260 back again. 545 00:41:01,740 --> 00:41:08,540 Because of my youth work, I got into the world of horses and I feel like it 546 00:41:08,540 --> 00:41:10,980 helped me level myself. 547 00:41:12,140 --> 00:41:15,170 The environment I come from, There's a lot of violence. 548 00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:23,890 What was so astonishing about it for me was if I can communicate with such a big 549 00:41:23,890 --> 00:41:28,870 animal that can actually cause me a lot of damage if it wants to, and the fact 550 00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:34,590 that I'm not having to be forceful or violent with it, it's like, hold on a 551 00:41:34,590 --> 00:41:39,910 minute, why should I need to be violent in any other form of communicating with 552 00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:40,910 other people? 553 00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:43,150 You just follow me? 554 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,300 So, like, people at home watching this documentary will be like, wait, how are 555 00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:55,238 we here? 556 00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:58,820 Obviously, people definitely don't expect this at all. I mean, it's not 557 00:41:58,820 --> 00:42:01,940 to see a South Londoner just chilling around horses in a yard. 558 00:42:02,180 --> 00:42:07,360 So, let me ask you, like, how's your upbringing lead you to where you are 559 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,640 I had, like, a mentor for over ten years. 560 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:18,480 My mentor, he's provided to me by a youth service I used to go to on a 561 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:24,680 basis. There was a lot of lessons and advice that was given to me by that 562 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:30,840 individual. He's known me since I was like... ..11, 12. 563 00:42:31,390 --> 00:42:33,270 What was it like at 12 having a mentor? 564 00:42:33,530 --> 00:42:36,990 It was strange at first, but then it's like, when you start having 565 00:42:36,990 --> 00:42:39,450 conversations, you start to see it completely differently. 566 00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:42,970 Yeah. Because then you start to realise, wait, there's other people in the world 567 00:42:42,970 --> 00:42:47,690 that actually care about who I am as an individual and actually want to see me 568 00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:51,050 do something positive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? And it's like, if 569 00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:53,690 you're in an environment where all you're being role -modelled and taught 570 00:42:53,690 --> 00:42:57,070 wrong, then if that's what you know, that's what you're going to do, do you 571 00:42:57,070 --> 00:42:58,270 what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 572 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,280 I don't know much about what happened to your brother. 573 00:43:01,860 --> 00:43:08,280 My eldest brother, he was out and about one evening, bumped into a certain group 574 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:09,280 of individuals. 575 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:15,300 It's believed that they had a bit of a dispute and it ended with him being 576 00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:16,138 knifed to death. 577 00:43:16,140 --> 00:43:21,760 Your mentor had a lot to do with helping you not basically go for revenge or 578 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,560 anything like that. No, 100%, 100%. These are the reasons why I'm sitting in 579 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,580 jail right now. That's the best way to put it. 580 00:43:28,029 --> 00:43:32,450 obviously helped me at the time, understanding that you doing what you 581 00:43:32,450 --> 00:43:33,830 going to do ain't bringing nobody back. 582 00:43:34,830 --> 00:43:38,150 If I didn't have a role model like him, my life would look very different. 583 00:43:42,430 --> 00:43:47,510 Jamal, you know, he's a lovely kid, and this step intervention has really 584 00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:51,770 changed the life around him. You could see it in his soul, you can see it when 585 00:43:51,770 --> 00:43:52,770 you meet him. 586 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:59,640 So that's a really good example of mentorship gone right and done really 587 00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:11,820 The more people I can get talking about this, the more likely change will 588 00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:12,820 happen. 589 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,280 Banging the pot and making noise works. 590 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,960 Someone's got to take advantage of a soapbox. 591 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,360 Someone's got to take advantage of the reach. 592 00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:24,930 And I have those. 593 00:44:29,470 --> 00:44:32,410 About to head into the palace to see the king. 594 00:44:34,450 --> 00:44:39,150 I'm always sort of thankful for him setting up the Prince's Trust, 595 00:44:40,310 --> 00:44:44,130 Like, it's changed lives. It changed mine. It gave me an opportunity. 596 00:44:47,490 --> 00:44:52,170 They gave me a grant when I was 16 to go to the National Youth Music Theatre and 597 00:44:52,170 --> 00:44:53,170 study. 598 00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:57,770 Thinking back there, I was filling out the form and thinking, this is stupid, 599 00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:59,290 he's not going to choose me. 600 00:45:01,270 --> 00:45:06,650 I came home from school, my mum said, she's got a letter. 601 00:45:08,670 --> 00:45:14,830 It was a white envelope, handwritten, Idris Elba Esquire, and it had the Royal 602 00:45:14,830 --> 00:45:15,830 Seal on it. 603 00:45:16,410 --> 00:45:23,070 I was like, no way, opening it up. And in the letter was a cheque. 604 00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:29,600 If I hadn't gotten the Prince's Trust, I wouldn't have had that experience 605 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:30,760 because we couldn't afford to go. 606 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,520 And it definitely put me on the right map, you know, on the right trajectory. 607 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:48,120 The king is going to actually come and greet you at the car. 608 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,040 What? Yeah. 609 00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:53,240 They're going to open the door and he's going to be there, which is why we 610 00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:54,240 cannot be late. 611 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:55,198 Are you serious? 612 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,200 Yeah. 613 00:45:56,780 --> 00:45:57,780 Any sign? 614 00:45:58,780 --> 00:45:59,840 There's a lot of traffic. 615 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,540 Are you going to brief me about the door, sir? Yes, I'm waiting for you to 616 00:46:04,540 --> 00:46:05,540 arrive. 617 00:46:14,540 --> 00:46:20,960 It's been such a 618 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,370 difficult... nut to crack, hasn't it? 619 00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:26,950 Yeah, it really is. The campaigning continues. I'm so thankful they have 620 00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:32,310 ear. I've always believed that as an adolescent, what you really need is 621 00:46:32,310 --> 00:46:34,690 channeling into something constructive. 622 00:46:36,770 --> 00:46:42,470 It's my honour, I think, to have young people at the table, OK, having their 623 00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:43,890 voice a part of this. 624 00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:49,130 It seems to be the great ambition now should be to be able to go into, you 625 00:46:49,130 --> 00:46:51,110 to try and dig people out from all the most... 626 00:46:51,450 --> 00:46:52,670 the hardest areas to reach. 627 00:46:54,630 --> 00:47:00,490 It's really interesting just being around, you know, that sort of level of 628 00:47:00,490 --> 00:47:04,790 exposure. And I didn't realize that we'd be sitting next to the king and people 629 00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:08,890 from the community discussing it. I didn't think that would happen. 630 00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:15,530 You know, if every newspaper tomorrow says, oh, that there was a moment where 631 00:47:15,530 --> 00:47:18,910 the king and young people and Idris all sat around the table. 632 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,060 That's what we need to see. 633 00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:25,580 The media have a massive role to play in this because they've got the loudest 634 00:47:25,580 --> 00:47:26,740 soapbox amongst us all. 635 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:32,640 And I'm just like... I'm very hopeful right now. 636 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:45,080 This government has been elected to deliver nothing less than national 637 00:47:46,180 --> 00:47:51,380 With a new government in power, They've invited people who know the reality of 638 00:47:51,380 --> 00:47:54,560 knife crime to meet every two months to influence policy. 639 00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:02,440 Actor Idris Elba is in Downing Street today. He's taking part in the Knife 640 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:03,440 Summit. 641 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,500 It's rare to actually be here at the beginning of it, of this documentary. 642 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,200 We didn't know this was going to happen, so here we are. 643 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:15,760 Got my notes. 644 00:48:17,070 --> 00:48:20,530 I'm going to speak for three minutes. I don't know what I'm going to say, but 645 00:48:20,530 --> 00:48:21,670 I'm just going to say it from the heart. 646 00:48:22,810 --> 00:48:28,030 I find it amazing that people who've been through experiences the like of 647 00:48:28,030 --> 00:48:31,850 some people around this table have been through are able to come forward. You 648 00:48:31,850 --> 00:48:35,730 have to be brutally frank with us today and every time we meet. 649 00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:39,750 Five, six years ago, I started to speak up and say something. 650 00:48:40,030 --> 00:48:44,350 Five years later, six years later, though, unfortunately, we're still 651 00:48:46,810 --> 00:48:51,690 You know, talk is good, but action is more important. We need joined -up 652 00:48:51,690 --> 00:48:56,570 thinking. And there are all kinds of people here today, from organisations, 653 00:48:56,950 --> 00:49:02,890 charities, victims, youth services, health services, police, education, Home 654 00:49:02,890 --> 00:49:07,210 Secretary, because everyone here has something to offer this. 655 00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:10,530 And let's hold ourselves to talk. 656 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:17,200 My name is Pooja Kanda. I'm here today to tell you about my beautiful son from 657 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,040 then. Rona didn't stand a chance. 658 00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:23,540 He tried to run for the house which was only two doors away. 659 00:49:24,260 --> 00:49:27,420 He didn't reach his house and he dropped there on the road. 660 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,720 I finally believe that I've been hurt. 661 00:49:39,550 --> 00:49:44,050 And that's good. That's good that I was there and was able to express myself. 662 00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:47,970 And I hope the government listens. 663 00:49:52,690 --> 00:49:56,810 To the House of Commons, where Labour's first budget for 14 years will be 664 00:49:56,810 --> 00:49:58,790 delivered by the Chancellor, Rachel Reeve. 665 00:49:59,230 --> 00:50:03,830 As Reeve is expected to say, her priority is to invest, invest, invest. 666 00:50:15,740 --> 00:50:19,620 The interventions that I've been learning about, the hospitals, the 667 00:50:19,620 --> 00:50:20,740 community, they all cost money. 668 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,800 The government says the budget's tight. 669 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,720 We get it. But it's not just about asking for more funding. It's about what 670 00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:30,820 do with the money there is. 671 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:43,540 Fame, knives, end lives, knives, get you sent to prison, everybody carrying a 672 00:50:43,540 --> 00:50:49,350 knife. knows that everybody involved in the fight knows that so we all need to 673 00:50:49,350 --> 00:50:56,090 do our best to identify who's at risk help them with showing them that there 674 00:50:56,090 --> 00:51:02,950 other options available carrying a knife by itself 675 00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:09,950 is i mean kind of is suicidal i 676 00:51:09,950 --> 00:51:12,110 guess it was just the environment i grew up in 677 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,760 My mum had custody of me and I got kicked out of there for the stuff I used 678 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:18,760 be involved in. 679 00:51:19,660 --> 00:51:24,360 Moved into my nan's, got kicked out there because of the stuff I was 680 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,360 in. 681 00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:32,320 My school, I got kicked out there and then I was out of school for a year. 682 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,280 I have autism and ADHD. 683 00:51:36,660 --> 00:51:41,720 I didn't know that, so it makes it hard to speak. 684 00:51:43,370 --> 00:51:44,370 21. 685 00:51:50,590 --> 00:51:55,170 In Coventry, the police are piloting a new approach that seems to have 686 00:51:55,170 --> 00:51:57,810 potential. It's called SERV. 687 00:51:59,390 --> 00:52:02,770 SERV is the Community Initiative to Reduce Violence. 688 00:52:04,410 --> 00:52:09,190 They're seeking out teenagers they suspect are on a path that leads to 689 00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:11,210 crime. Then they step in. 690 00:52:11,550 --> 00:52:16,430 before a stabbing is committed, build a relationship and suggest opportunities 691 00:52:16,430 --> 00:52:18,290 that connect with that teenager. 692 00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:27,310 This programme, it is the most rewarding job I've done since I've been in the 693 00:52:27,310 --> 00:52:28,670 police in 19 years. 694 00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:34,450 Children or young people who carry knives, I can honestly say it's a way of 695 00:52:34,450 --> 00:52:38,810 that the majority of them don't want to be in, but they're so stuck they don't 696 00:52:38,810 --> 00:52:39,810 know how to get out. 697 00:52:41,610 --> 00:52:47,570 So it's kind of guiding them out, mentoring them out. We work with 698 00:52:47,570 --> 00:52:48,570 career opportunities. 699 00:52:48,890 --> 00:52:53,050 It's about finding something that they enjoy and showing them what they can 700 00:52:53,050 --> 00:52:57,530 achieve. It's a consistent adult figure in their life to guide them and lead 701 00:52:57,530 --> 00:52:58,530 them onto a different path. 702 00:52:58,790 --> 00:53:00,130 It definitely works. 703 00:53:05,090 --> 00:53:09,470 Jayden was referred into the programme after concerns that he might have been 704 00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:10,470 involved in gangs. 705 00:53:10,990 --> 00:53:12,150 carrying knives, et cetera. 706 00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:20,450 He was a hard nut to crack initially, very quiet, as are 707 00:53:20,450 --> 00:53:21,850 most of them initially. 708 00:53:22,550 --> 00:53:27,570 So it was just finding a way of breaking down barriers and kind of just forming 709 00:53:27,570 --> 00:53:31,710 a bit of a relationship and a trusting kind of bond between the two of us. 710 00:53:36,410 --> 00:53:37,410 How are you? 711 00:53:39,390 --> 00:53:40,390 I'm good, you? 712 00:53:40,730 --> 00:53:42,030 I'm all right. I can't complain. 713 00:53:44,030 --> 00:53:48,870 I know that you've been working with Laura and the CERB team for a little 714 00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:53,650 and I'm just curious. I just wanted to hear how you found it and, you know, how 715 00:53:53,650 --> 00:53:54,650 you're getting on with it. 716 00:53:54,730 --> 00:53:55,730 Yeah. 717 00:53:57,530 --> 00:54:02,630 Well, when I first joined the CERB programme, I had no confidence in 718 00:54:02,970 --> 00:54:05,930 And, like, well, she helped me out a lot. 719 00:54:06,990 --> 00:54:08,490 Yeah, it's helped me a lot. 720 00:54:08,730 --> 00:54:09,730 It's helped me a lot. 721 00:54:10,259 --> 00:54:11,580 You don't carry a knife? 722 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,420 No, I used to. I used to carry a knife, and I used to be scared. 723 00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:20,980 Some people, they say they feel naked without it. I felt naked without it. 724 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,280 You've got to make that change. 725 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:30,720 And it's hard to. It's proper hard to. I'm still struggling now, but... I'm 726 00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:31,558 finding my way. 727 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:32,920 I'm finding my way, innit? 728 00:54:33,820 --> 00:54:35,480 I heard you was an Arsenal fan as well. 729 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:36,920 Me? 730 00:54:37,470 --> 00:54:38,470 He's staring. 731 00:54:38,670 --> 00:54:39,670 What? 732 00:54:40,850 --> 00:54:43,890 Now you're chatting. Now you're chatting. Now you're chatting, Laura. 733 00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:46,050 Come on. You set me up. 734 00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:49,050 What team? 735 00:54:49,310 --> 00:54:50,970 Villa. Villa? Yeah. 736 00:54:51,450 --> 00:54:52,590 He's my great -grandad. 737 00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:54,610 All my life, I've loved football. 738 00:54:55,110 --> 00:54:56,670 I'm joining the academy soon as well. 739 00:54:57,250 --> 00:54:58,169 That's amazing. 740 00:54:58,170 --> 00:55:00,670 How does that? Do you get in contact with the academy? 741 00:55:01,110 --> 00:55:05,970 Yeah, I just sent an email and just said who we are, what the programme is 742 00:55:05,970 --> 00:55:10,330 about. The programme's giving you ways to figure out how to get past the bad 743 00:55:10,330 --> 00:55:12,050 days, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, loads. 744 00:55:12,810 --> 00:55:17,930 And then, I guess, like, what you're doing with your sports, that's almost 745 00:55:17,930 --> 00:55:19,810 another anchor, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 746 00:55:20,530 --> 00:55:24,010 Anything that's good for me, she'll make sure it happens. 747 00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:29,210 But you're already talking about the opportunities the academy might give him 748 00:55:29,210 --> 00:55:32,130 terms of qualifications, and one of them could be a coaching qualification. 749 00:55:33,130 --> 00:55:35,770 And he'd already said the other week, didn't you? Yeah, I'd love to coach. 750 00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:36,990 I'd love to be a coach. 751 00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:39,090 That seems like a really hopeful step. 752 00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:42,790 Mate, nice meeting you, man. Thanks for your time, yeah? 753 00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:44,910 Me off, Laura. 754 00:55:45,210 --> 00:55:48,130 Thank you. Thank you very much. Really nice meeting you. Thank you. 755 00:56:02,220 --> 00:56:06,300 What was great is coming here and seeing a version of hope with the Serve 756 00:56:06,300 --> 00:56:07,300 program. 757 00:56:08,940 --> 00:56:13,120 You know, the Serve program actually really ticks a lot of the boxes that 758 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:14,120 been talking about. 759 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,800 And then with stories like Jaden, you're kind of saying to yourself, all right, 760 00:56:18,820 --> 00:56:20,600 is there a version that happens nationwide? 761 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,020 Is there a version that can be done at a much, much larger scale? 762 00:56:25,780 --> 00:56:30,180 That is going to be a massive logistical conundrum. 763 00:56:31,070 --> 00:56:36,250 but it is so worth it when you watch a kid like that who a year ago is 764 00:56:36,250 --> 00:56:42,050 struggling, who's, you know, he's just this far away from going back to his old 765 00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:45,470 roots, and then he's got this program that can help him, right? 766 00:56:46,170 --> 00:56:52,750 And that's... I guess, you know, when people watch this film, 767 00:56:53,010 --> 00:56:57,170 so what's the point of it? What's the point? Well, this is the point, that 768 00:56:57,170 --> 00:56:59,670 is hope. There's got to be ways that this can be done. 769 00:57:00,460 --> 00:57:04,920 You know, no issue is permanent. There's got to be a way out of it. 770 00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:13,360 This is too dangerous to be not speak about it. It could happen to another 771 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,940 child. We just need to get it right. 772 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,400 What I want people to understand is that it takes a village to raise a child. 773 00:57:25,780 --> 00:57:29,740 What's happening with young people is they are burning down that village. 774 00:57:30,110 --> 00:57:33,810 because they're not feeling the embrace of that place. And I'm inviting you to 775 00:57:33,810 --> 00:57:38,510 be part of this village and play into it and invest in our young people. 776 00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:41,650 There's a bigger picture that needs looking at. 777 00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:45,810 Everybody deserves a chance at the end of the day, and it is about that chance. 778 00:57:46,030 --> 00:57:48,550 It's a no -brainer to me, to be honest. 779 00:57:49,650 --> 00:57:51,450 I value life a lot more now. 780 00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:55,650 There's some beauty in the world for me. 781 00:57:57,290 --> 00:57:58,430 That wasn't there before.